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mrmike
Joined: 06 Sep 2007 Posts: Location: coronado, ca
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Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2011 5:13 pm Post subject: |
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what I ment was a small hand block plane for the rails cost about $20 at the home depot well worth the money and you have the tool for life _________________ PAIPO ON
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geoffreylevens
Joined: 18 Nov 2009 Posts:
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Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2011 5:54 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, those are excellent but I have not been able to figure out how to make mine work without suddenly biting and ripping layers out of the work, esp w/ plywood. Also, pretty tough going across end grain, at least for me! |
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mrmike
Joined: 06 Sep 2007 Posts: Location: coronado, ca
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Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2011 7:34 pm Post subject: |
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one word sharp. I use one my grand dad had it is over 100 years old the blade is very very sharp. take real thin cuts and don't go stright go at an angel. new planes are not sharp you need to hone the blade on a wet stone before you start _________________ PAIPO ON
blog http://mrmikespaipos.blogspot.com |
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Spudnut
Joined: 30 Jan 2011 Posts: Location: Ventura, Ca
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Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2011 8:22 pm Post subject: |
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When it comes to surfing a wave my son & I have different styles. He normally rides a bodyboard and wants to be able to do tricks on it like a bodyboard. I love getting as deep in the pocket as I can and then turn on the afterburners hauling a.. The more speed to me the more fun. What designs would you recommend for each of us to make? Also, should we use regular plywood or go marine grade? What sealant as well? |
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geoffreylevens
Joined: 18 Nov 2009 Posts:
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Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2011 8:28 pm Post subject: |
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Thank you Mike. Silly me, just assumed (ass-u-me) that out of the box was sharp! Duh!!! |
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mrmike
Joined: 06 Sep 2007 Posts: Location: coronado, ca
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Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2011 11:09 am Post subject: |
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most people think if it is new it is good to go. you would think. but coming from 4 generation of wood worker I got an up on things. and the tools they make nowadays (china) aren't as good as tools made 20 to 40 years ago. I always look for old hand tool at yard sales and swapmeets just clean them up and sharpen it up and you got a real good tool for a cheep price _________________ PAIPO ON
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geoffreylevens
Joined: 18 Nov 2009 Posts:
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Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2011 11:34 am Post subject: |
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Dale Solomonson told me once that he does the same with power tools as well. Often something being sold for $1 just needs new brushes and a bit of a rub down to remove dirt and you have a great "whatever". |
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OG-AZN
Joined: 27 Jul 2009 Posts: Location: Norcal
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Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 1:11 am Post subject: |
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Spudnut wrote: | When it comes to surfing a wave my son & I have different styles. He normally rides a bodyboard and wants to be able to do tricks on it like a bodyboard. I love getting as deep in the pocket as I can and then turn on the afterburners hauling a.. The more speed to me the more fun. What designs would you recommend for each of us to make? Also, should we use regular plywood or go marine grade? What sealant as well? |
Aloha & good to see more people carrying on the tradition of homemade paipos. You don't necessarily need different shapes to ride in different ways on a paipo. Like a bodyboard, the ply paipo is pretty adaptable to various riding styles. I ride my favorite paipo both "bodyboard" style & old skool speed run/cruising style. I suggest going with a narrower version of the HPD type bell/delta shape and use the same length and wide point dimensions of your bodyboard, with the wide point being shifted from the nose area to the the tail area on the paipo, as a starting point. My favorite paipos are appx 41.5-42" length" x 21-22" tail x 16.5 -17.5" nose. These boards work well for prone ridng fast hollow beach break. I don't do a lot of knee /drop knee ridng on a paipo, but I've found that a shape with the wide point in the nose,and with more overall length & width than my bodyboard works better. For bodyboard type tricks, try to keep the board as flexible as you can get away with for your size & the wave conditions you ride. For me, 1/2" ply is as thin as a I can go in terms of durability and stability on an unglassed board. I've used varnish and/or paint to finish as well as epoxy with no glass. You get a lot of durability with the epoxy, but you lose some of the flex in the wood. Varnish/paint maintains the flex but isn't as durable. Most of my boards have been made of generic or recycled plywood on hand, but I've found the higher quality plywoods a lot easier to work with. |
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Soulglider
Joined: 04 Feb 2008 Posts:
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Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 8:42 am Post subject: vkjh |
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listen to the -azn. 19-21" wide x 40-48 with flex is dee best! 1/2" works for me too and i'm way bigger than him. good luck and try everything you can think of and before you know it, you'll be the authority. i like square rails now, not as pretty fo' sho' but very sticky and super duper fast! i add kick in the nose using a planer but, i dont know if you need that, the -azn doesn't use it, i think, and hees one rippa bruddah! _________________ soulglider
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mrmike
Joined: 06 Sep 2007 Posts: Location: coronado, ca
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Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 10:49 am Post subject: |
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I got a new board in the works now, at mrmikes skunkworks I call it my E.S.P (experimental surfing paipo ) it is made of 1/4" ply with 1/4" X 1" slats on the bottom and a 1/2" thick collar on the nose like a 1/2 of a spoon. hopely the slats on the bottom will keep it from breaking the slats have one square edge and one rounded edge the rounded edge edge to the outside with two coats of black laquer and two coats of clear. it is 40" long and 20" wide I am keeping it short so with 1/4" ply it won't flex so much it would break. I will send some pics when finished _________________ PAIPO ON
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rodndtube Dolphin Glider
Joined: 06 Jan 2004 Posts: 690 Location: USA, MD, Baltimore
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Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 1:43 pm Post subject: |
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Spudnut wrote: | After lots of various discussions the decision made is that my son and I are each going to make a plywood paipo! Not only will we get to ride them together but we can build them them together too. Of course we will have more questions with regards to the design of them, should we ask here or start a new post in the design section? |
A better question for the Paipo Board Design & Building Forum
What works and what doesn't. Share design ideas, references and contacts for paipo board builders.
That helps people focus into a specific area of discussion! _________________ rodNDtube
"Prone to ride"
I love my papa li`ili`i |
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bgreen
Joined: 20 Feb 2004 Posts: Location: Qld. Oz
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Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 3:47 pm Post subject: |
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On the week-end I rode a fibreglass board and then my new unridden paulownia board. There is something nice about riding a board you make yourself and they slice so cleanly through the water. I like glass boards as well.
The amount of flex is a personal question. a number of the older guys used a coat of resin to give the boards some stiffness, Jamie Farfor glassed his premium boards with Hawaiian print cloth for this same purpose. Bigger waves can produce too much flex.
Hard rails are the go, for me, rounded just near the nose. Lift - most of mine are pretty flat. My new board is widest right at the tail, this might suit the young guy. If you are making two boards, slightly vary the design and you have a natural experiment and can see what differences some tweaking does.
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OG-AZN
Joined: 27 Jul 2009 Posts: Location: Norcal
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Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 5:28 pm Post subject: Re: vkjh |
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Soulglider wrote: | listen to the -azn. 19-21" wide x 40-48 with flex is dee best! 1/2" works for me too and i'm way bigger than him. good luck and try everything you can think of and before you know it, you'll be the authority. i like square rails now, not as pretty fo' sho' but very sticky and super duper fast! i add kick in the nose using a planer but, i dont know if you need that, the -azn doesn't use it, i think, and hees one rippa bruddah! |
Ha, thanks for the compliment Glider. I actually do put a little bit of lift/kick in the nose of my boards. Also, my paipos that have had a little bit of positive rocker seem to have an advantage in terms of bodyboard style riding, i.e. it seems easier to quickly set your angle towards the lip. Could just be that those boards were also just simply finished with varnish & more flexible than my epoxied boards. |
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Spudnut
Joined: 30 Jan 2011 Posts: Location: Ventura, Ca
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Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2011 11:03 pm Post subject: |
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My son and I have finished making our paipos. On Sunday, we will get our first experience riding a paipo. We had a lot of fun making them even though we know nothing about woodwork. |
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Soulglider
Joined: 04 Feb 2008 Posts:
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